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Liquids    11
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To start, I just want to say I love this server. I played the original simplicity and was one of the first 10 people to comp on it. I've donated over $500 to this server and want it to succeed. The two huge issues I continue to see on this server are that it is extremely hard for new players to make the amount of money it takes to camp the higher level bosses (Raids, Hydra, Nex etc.) and it's extremely hard to buy items from other players because a majority of players seem to hold onto items even when they aren't using them. Want proof? Try buying a Scythe or a Sagi Set and let me know how long it takes. Regardless, I think both of these issues can be solved by doing one thing. Improving the drop rates of PvM Bosses to get them to a point where players actually have a shot of making real money from them (not 100m or 500m, but REAL money).

I'm aware that as it stands, drop rates are already quite high. I understand that if I went to Raids right now I would have a good chance of getting a 100m+ drop. I don't want the rates to be increased by 50% or anything insane. I think a lot of players feel like right now, the only way to get rare items (Scythe, Tbow, Ftbow etc.) is to donate, which I don't think should be a goal of this server. I've played 150 hours on this server and never seen a Tbow drop from Raids. I've also never seen a Olm's fire or heard of a Scythe being dropped from WW. I get that these items are rare, but they shouldn't only be available to those who donate or win big at ::gamble or ::duel.

I've come up with 3 possible solutions to this problem and hope others can come up with more.

1) Add drops like Justiciar pieces, Saggy pieces, Scythe, Tbow to bosses that currently, don't really have a purpose, like GWD bosses. Even if the drop rate is something like 0.2%, it would give players with lower tier gear the opportunity to get a drop that's actually worth something and actually excites them. Remember the first time you got a Tassets drop in OSRS? That feeling isn't replicated on this server because Tassets just aren't worth anything. Now imagine getting a Scythe from Bandos. You might actually have players camping these bosses (and not just the rich ones). I brought up GWD bosses as an example, obviously, Scythe and Tbow should only be dropped by mid or high tier bosses, but just have them drop at a rate that doesn't seem completely impossible.

2) Have daily events where players can collect points that they can then spend in a store to buy these items. Not only would this provide players with a reason to continuously play, it would give new players an opportunity to gain these items through ways other than PvM and staking and might actually increase community engagement.

3) Make changes to rare drops so that every 1 in _____ amount of kills you're guaranteed something from the top drop table (1 in 900). To be completely honest, the 1 in 900 items are a bit broken when it comes to getting them from drops. For one, most of these items have turned into junk that either has no use or can't be sold. Secondly, if I have to kill 900 Great Olm's to get a drop worth 1.5b... chances are I'm going to give up real quick. If it was guaranteed that I'd get a rare drop (from the 1 in 900 items) after 500 kills (if I didn't receive one before that), I would absolutely keep camping the boss until that point.

Like I said above, I love this server, and I really want it to succeed into the future. I think that there is a key issue here that needs to be solved if we want to grow the player base. If anyone has other ides I would love to hear them. Also, I know how hard the staff currently work. The amount of events you guys run + the amount of updates you roll out is unlike any other server. I don't mean to make this sound like I'm complaining that the staff team isn't doing enough, I just thought I would start the conversation and come up with some possible solutions that could maybe get you thinking about how to fix the current state of Simplicity's economy.

Thanks for reading!

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weed smoker    1

i fully agree with this post scythe was once 50b im at the point where I have to offer 110b cash for it , you cant buy items because players have 10 of each item and refuse to let them be in the eco

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donjuvic    1

Im with liquids!  Lets make simplicity awesome <3

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trentsacc    1
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yes I totally agree would make more players want to play more and make the server amazing :)!!!

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thresh    3

+1, server feels like its to focused on pay to win.

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i brought this up the other day. make ti useful again. dont put everythingin there but put things like sag boots and gloves bc theres no way to get them. yes it would make ti packed but it would give newer players fun minigames to do and use the space we already have working. could always add other things. about the tbow drop i saw one drop the other day kingod got it. but olms fire never seen. scythe never seen. i agree with this fully. nobody wants to share the wealth like i just bought full sagi. i had to over pay to get it. 30b for boots and gloves? bit dumb imo. but i paid aboout 7-8b a piece hood top and bottoms. its not easy to get the best gear in the game (it should be grindy but not this grindy imo)

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Liquids    11
Just now, ohiofort01 said:

i brought this up the other day. make ti useful again. dont put everythingin there but put things like sag boots and gloves bc theres no way to get them. yes it would make ti packed but it would give newer players fun minigames to do and use the space we already have working. could always add other things. about the tbow drop i saw one drop the other day kingod got it. but olms fire never seen. scythe never seen. i agree with this fully. nobody wants to share the wealth like i just bought full sagi. i had to over pay to get it. 30b for boots and gloves? bit dumb imo. but i paid aboout 7-8b a piece hood top and bottoms. its not easy to get the best gear in the game (it should be grindy but not this grindy imo)

I completely agree and thanks for the response. I bought sagi for 56b the other day after trying to buy it for over 48 hours. I even found people who had a set they weren't using and the replies I got were normally, "nah, I'll just hold onto it until the prices gets higher." I understand merching is a way a lot of players make money, but when I'm already offering to overpay and players STILL aren't willing to sell, it shows you how big of a problem this is. I used to love going to GWD, yes it was easy but it made it fun to camp there for multiple hours. I feel like if I had even a slim chance of getting items like Justiciar or something from these bosses, it would make them fun again. Getting these items from the well just isn't the same and frankly, I've never had any luck doing so. Hopefully they can revive these bosses in some way to make them playable for new and old players alike.

I also like how you said getting the rare gear should be "grindy" and I'm totally on board. Don't make the drop rates 1% like the others. These drops should make you feel excited, unlike the others currently available from these bosses. I just want that feeling again and I don't want to have to pay for it.

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Kevin    21

Hi thanks for posting you're suggestions and taking your time and effort into this post.

I do agree that we need to find a way for new people to make some decent amount of cash to start off to grind with.

I'm unsure about the scythe part since the weapon is really strong if so it should be a super rare drop from a hard boss (to get people into more group pvming)

I like the idea about daily events to collect a few points for doing tasks.

Over all i support this

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Athos    15

+1 from me, thanks for taking time to write this

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Foly    39

+1

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Daidai    0

+1 

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Skengman    0

+1

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+1

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Sokrates    1

+1 there's no way to achieve anything on this server without money or by being unemployeed.

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FF_    4

I agree and disagree with this idea new players need more early help with drops but adding scythe and tbow to drop tables will only ruin the eco same as justi and sag u can get those items from the well which you can grind bosses for.

 

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Daidai    0
16 hours ago, FF_ said:

I agree and disagree with this idea new players need more early help with drops but adding scythe and tbow to drop tables will only ruin the eco same as justi and sag u can get those items from the well which you can grind bosses for.

 

I have to partially disagree with you.

While there is an NPC that drops tbows (olm) there is none for vitur (non-x).
In addition there is no item upgrade from the well for sagi boots and gloves yet.

+1 for the general idea.

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FF_    4
10 hours ago, Daidai said:

I have to partially disagree with you.

While there is an NPC that drops tbows (olm) there is none for vitur (non-x).
In addition there is no item upgrade from the well for sagi boots and gloves yet.

+1 for the general idea.

if there was a npc to drop scythe it would have to be super overpowered anyways to a point where u would need bis gear to kill it in order not to kill the scythe price.

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Naara    2

We need Raids 2 to add justi/scythe just for originality.  GWD bosses are really easy, there's no sense in giving these better drops when it gets more starter gear in the game.

Adding another point system to make it easy to get high level gear kinda defeats the purpose of the rarity of items.

Guaranteed drops defeats the purpose of having a drop table. Not only that, there's a lot of extra coding involved since I'm sure the guaranteed numbers aren't anywhere in the source. 

None of these you listed would really help the eco at all.

The economy is decent despite everything that's in the game. Magic Well is the major problem due to money being constantly pulled in the game from afks/drops/trading/selling store items. There's also the items being removed from the game causing inflation of other items and causing a major fluctuation in the costs of said items and their better parts. But the only way to fix this is to either remove the well, remove afks, or add a gold sync that takes gold out of the game in exchange for something (such as the superior pets). The last option being the best due to the meta of having afks.

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10 hours ago, Naara said:

We need Raids 2 to add justi/scythe just for originality.  GWD bosses are really easy, there's no sense in giving these better drops when it gets more starter gear in the game.

Adding another point system to make it easy to get high level gear kinda defeats the purpose of the rarity of items.

Guaranteed drops defeats the purpose of having a drop table. Not only that, there's a lot of extra coding involved since I'm sure the guaranteed numbers aren't anywhere in the source. 

None of these you listed would really help the eco at all.

The economy is decent despite everything that's in the game. Magic Well is the major problem due to money being constantly pulled in the game from afks/drops/trading/selling store items. There's also the items being removed from the game causing inflation of other items and causing a major fluctuation in the costs of said items and their better parts. But the only way to fix this is to either remove the well, remove afks, or add a gold sync that takes gold out of the game in exchange for something (such as the superior pets). The last option being the best due to the meta of having afks.

i agree with raids 2, and removing afk fishing, and having a way to get arid of the cash in game atm. some people have way to much cash and dont spend it, then they drive the prices of things up to the point where nobody can buy it. its a bit rediculous honesly, like who needs over 2t in cash. make something that will take away some of the money in the eco or make something thatll give a reason to spend money.

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Dylan Xd    0

+1 and hope to see these changes when I get back from boot camp in 3 months. I'll be honest I would not have been where I am now if it weren't for donating and gambling and nice hosts giving me like 700m to start with. I understand having rare items and what not but some of the gear required to get some of these items is ridiculous lol

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